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I think one of the changes I disliked about Fujino's story was the decision to stop including NPC sex scenes in the game (even though I think it was necessary in order to allow Fujino to focus on the other characters).
Yes one of the things I loved about Part 1 was going in-between story missions to check in on how the NPCs stories are progressing. It made the world feel more alive having other characters not connected to the main characters living their lives and having their own stories.

I too understand they had to go to make room for the new canon characters' stories. But they are slowly being added back so I hope there will be a conclusion to their stories.
 
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You do bring up a good point about the meta reason for NTR. I can't count how many games start out promising, but peter out until they either cease development, or come out with a product that isn't what was advertised.

Netorare isn't my personal kink since netori is more what I enjoy, but I would agree that a lot of NTR stories don't fully understand how to capitalize on the NTR aspect. I find that too many games lean on NTR solely being a "kink," rather than NTR being a genuine part of the story process, which is why I feel it sometimes ends up being diminished over the course of a story. And while that isn't bad (as a lot of fetish content does this as well), I am always interested in how stories can be improved or crafted differently.

What stands out to me in Fujino's story is that NTR is used as a device to reinforce the themes of the main couple, rather than just being a kink.

For example, not only is Inoda going after Asuna, he corrupts the mother as well. This emphasizes the "power" Inoda has in real life compared to Kirito in-game, who is subservient to Asuna's mother. It forms a hierarchy in which Inoda is at the top, while Kirito is at the bottom. It also serves to show that Inoda is capable of eventually corrupting Asuna, considering he has done so with her guardian.

You could also see his constant corruption of Asuna in the game as a slow usurpation of Kirito's raw combat strength in FOG (which fits the stealthy, crafty, rogue-type personality that Inoda is displayed as, as opposed to Kirito's blunt, awkward, and brute-force way of doing things).

Suguha gets corrupted by NTR, but that's used as a way for her to pursue her brother. Liz uses Inoda's plan to steal Asuna as a way for her to get with Kirito, which then serves to throttle Inoda's relationship with Asuna. The activities with Alice are used as a device to sow doubt within Asuna about Kirito, while also doubling as NTR with Klein. The story doesn't stop at "Inoda cucks Kirito," it uses NTR in very creative ways from normal NTR games I've seen, at least in my opinion.

This could also just be me talking out of my ass and me being completely wrong about Fujino's story, that is just as likely.

I think one of the changes I disliked about Fujino's story was the decision to stop including NPC sex scenes in the game (even though I think it was necessary in order to allow Fujino to focus on the other characters).

The NPCs in Fujino's previous games, as well as Part 1, were a great way to implement NTR into the interactions of the city, because they reinforced the state of Kirito's mentality throughout the game while also serving to populate the various areas. That green-haired guy who indulged in NTR with his wife in the church was a great marker as to where Kirito could be at the end of his journey, almost like a foil. There was an entire sequence where you needed to talk with him, so it was most certainly done on purpose.

And while these NPCs still exist, they lack a purpose. I used to interact with these NPCs in Part 1, but in Part 2 I rarely do after the change to stop including them, because their current interactions are generic. In his Scathach game, the inclusion of a sub-heroine and NTR within the village made exploration much more rewarding.

Sorry for the wall of text, I just talk a lot.
I also like the contradistinction of Kirito and Inoda. As you said, Inoda is superior to Kirito IRL, but Kirito is the inverse. We also see a contrast between them in emotional and physical connections with Asuna. Inoda is obviously better than Kirito at sex, but Kirito is better at being emotionally intimate with Asuna. It's the main reason why she hasn't fallen out of love with Kirito.

But Inoda is slowly manipulating Asuna into making her believe that Kirito is cheating on her (at least on the same level she has, cause he already kinda did cheat on her with Liz if you chose the more degenerate options), which will eventually break that last bit of reason that's keeping her from fully being committed to Inoda both physically and emotionally. Cause we all know that in NTR, if you lose your place in your SO's heart, then you officially lost the war.

It'll be interesting to see in the next update how much affection Asuna will have towards Inoda once Kyoko tells her that it was because of Inoda that she got back her IRL freedom and if it'll somehow decrease her affection with Kirito. There's probably now gonna be an even bigger gap in how Asuna looks at Kirito's competence compared to Inoda, as Inoda was able to do something Kirito couldn't that didn't involve sex or FOG.
 
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Hasta donde yo sé, Fujino nunca ha dicho que no le guste cómo se está desarrollando la historia. Creo que te refieres a la actualización que hizo a principios de la semana pasada, donde dijo que después de estar lejos de su computadora, tuvo algo de tiempo para pensar en las tramas principales y el final del juego .

En realidad, no es una declaración de que no le gusta su historia . Lo interpreto más como si estuviera luchando por conectar las tramas con los finales que tenía en mente o como si estuviera tratando de escribir conclusiones para cada arco argumental de los personajes y cómo afectará al final que aún no había escrito.
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Hasta donde yo sé, Fujino nunca ha dicho que no le guste cómo se está desarrollando la historia. Creo que te refieres a la actualización que hizo a principios de la semana pasada, donde dijo que después de estar lejos de su computadora, tuvo algo de tiempo para pensar en las tramas principales y el final del juego .

En realidad, no es una declaración de que no le gusta su historia . Lo interpreto más como si estuviera luchando por conectar las tramas con los finales que tenía en mente o como si estuviera tratando de escribir conclusiones para cada arco argumental de los personajes y cómo afectará al final que aún no había escrito.
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yo Was there an update?
 

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There was one NTR doujin I found particularly interesting in which a woman got "cucked" by the new neighbor next to them. It started out as an NTR, but progressed into a story in which the reader rooted for the heroine to get stolen away from her boyfriend. This was because throughout the story, it is revealed that the boyfriend is a terrible person who talked behind her back and degraded her to his friends, while the bull was an incredibly sweet person who cared for the woman. In this sense, the NTR becomes justified and transitions into a case of loyalty being punished and infidelity being rewarded.

This SAO parody is great in that there is a lot of potential that Fujino has set up because of how meticulous the build up has been. Now can SAO pull off a similar scenario as unique as what I've outlined above? Probably not. Inoda has already been portrayed as an irredeemable antagonist, and any attempt to portray him in a positive light in a vacuum would be going against the narrative Fujino has been writing. In addition, Kirito wouldn't be the type to cheat on Asuna, at least canonically.

With how Fujino has been pushing the dual "corruption" of Kirito between both Liz and Suguha, I'd be interested in knowing if people would begin to justify Asuna cheating with a more caring Inoda if Kirito indulged in other women of his own volition, or if that would ruin the NTR fantasy that's been happening up to this point.
I do tend to view parodies or these kind of stories within a vacuum, so I've been mostly enjoying the narrative being portrayed. Some illogical NTR logic just gets thrown to the side in my head because it's NTR. But anyways in regards to us rooting for Inoda, I personally doubt it'll happen. People were already complaining about Fujino's comment about humanizing Inoda, or making him more relatable.

I think people are just more interested in the "fall", and if not others then I can say that's pretty much what I'm interested in. Asuna canonically isn't really a character that would cheat, she's the type of character that would ideally be firm in her stances and morals. This makes her someone people would be interested in seeing how she falls and gets corrupted mainly due to how hard it should be.

In Kirito's case, he should be more or less similar to Asuna, but we're less interested in him falling since Asuna is the one most are here for. In relation to the example you mentioned, I'm rooting for the other "NTR protagonist" and that is Suguha trying to corrupt Kirito and steal him from Asuna rofl.

My personal experience to enjoying this game has to do with the conquering of Asuna, Suguha's domination, and the quirky game element ideas that Fujino introduced that feels new, fresh, and maybe exciting. Mainly my favorite part are the battles, even if all you do is press "Attack" to see the CGs, the basic narrative of that moment is similar to the BF or Husband lounging around obliviously while the GF/Wife is getting plowed by the next door neighbor. But I suppose it's just fun to see it happen in a more "real time" kind of sense, makes it exciting I suppose.

What stands out to me in Fujino's story is that NTR is used as a device to reinforce the themes of the main couple, rather than just being a kink.
I'd jokingly say you've analyzed this game a little too much. I never really thought deep enough to make those connections, and just liked how decently logical most interactions have been portrayed, with whatever exciting corrupted twist is portrayed to us as well. My emphasis on decently logical is that while this game/story embraces the NTR tropes, it's doing it in a much more interestingly fun way.

While everyone is a little unhinged and trying to go behind everyone's backs stealing either Kirito or Asuna from their SO, the way everyone goes about it is generally fun and amusing. I like how Liz thinks she has the upper hand, and definitely makes some progress with Kirito, but doesn't realize she made a deal with the devil that is Inoda. Inoda constantly lies and plays down his results to Liz to maintain the upper hand. It's similar to how you mentioned that Inoda corrupting Kyoko is showing his "true power" so to speak. So everyone that dares interact with him is dancing in the palm of his hands, due to 50% genius, and 50% luck/coincidence/god intervention.

Suguha being corrupted by NTR therefore ends up trying to corrupt Kirito is also a fun way to go about it and I do like the potential Sinon and Hebishima storyline being portrayed. Some people think Sinon wants revenge; while I personally would go down the route similar to what you mentioned and that's Sinon got corrupted by NTR and is now the yandere possessive one in her relationship with Hebishima instead of Hebishima being control.

Basically NTR in this game isn't as you mentioned so plain and simple and that's what makes the ride fun.

The NPCs in Fujino's previous games, as well as Part 1, were a great way to implement NTR into the interactions of the city, because they reinforced the state of Kirito's mentality throughout the game while also serving to populate the various areas. That green-haired guy who indulged in NTR with his wife in the church was a great marker as to where Kirito could be at the end of his journey, almost like a foil. There was an entire sequence where you needed to talk with him, so it was most certainly done on purpose.

And while these NPCs still exist, they lack a purpose. I used to interact with these NPCs in Part 1, but in Part 2 I rarely do after the change to stop including them, because their current interactions are generic. In his Scathach game, the inclusion of a sub-heroine and NTR within the village made exploration much more rewarding.
King lion does mention that some of the npcs are back, so we can only hope. The only NPCs I really cared about though was the green haired guy, the charlie friend getting cucked without knowing, and that guy that looked like Inoda somehow dominating everyone else in the city. I personally don't miss the NPCs that were definitely filler, instead of being around for Kirito to make small comments about, which is why I mentioned the 3 NPCs from earlier. Green-haired guy shows like you mentioned where Kirito can end up. Charlie was a friend getting cucked in real-time that would make Kirito question some of the events that are happening to himself. I did like how whenever Kirito got anonymous messages that showed Asuna getting sexually harassed, Kirito ended up thinking it was Charlie who sent him the video. Lastly the Big Glasses dude is the opposite of the green-haired guy, which is Kirito's exposure to the one that will cuck others instead of the cuck (green hair guy) himself.

In terms of stuff I miss from Part 1; I mainly miss the black-market video store. That idea from Part 1 was one of the most interactive ways to see the NTR happen in a logical "non-recollection event" fashion. I'm hoping the store comes back, or the brothel does something to take its place.
 

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Tomorrow we should be getting a progress report so hang in there guys.

Nothing, people just love discussing their theories, opinions on the game or general NTR stuff lol
When Fujino takes a 2 months break this tend to happen, people get so bored it slowly but surely gets more and more off-topic...we're gonna see the thread getting closed right before the next update again at this rate, aren't we?
 

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I do tend to view parodies or these kind of stories within a vacuum, so I've been mostly enjoying the narrative being portrayed. Some illogical NTR logic just gets thrown to the side in my head because it's NTR. But anyways in regards to us rooting for Inoda, I personally doubt it'll happen. People were already complaining about Fujino's comment about humanizing Inoda, or making him more relatable.

I think people are just more interested in the "fall", and if not others then I can say that's pretty much what I'm interested in. Asuna canonically isn't really a character that would cheat, she's the type of character that would ideally be firm in her stances and morals. This makes her someone people would be interested in seeing how she falls and gets corrupted mainly due to how hard it should be.

In Kirito's case, he should be more or less similar to Asuna, but we're less interested in him falling since Asuna is the one most are here for. In relation to the example you mentioned, I'm rooting for the other "NTR protagonist" and that is Suguha trying to corrupt Kirito and steal him from Asuna rofl.

My personal experience to enjoying this game has to do with the conquering of Asuna, Suguha's domination, and the quirky game element ideas that Fujino introduced that feels new, fresh, and maybe exciting. Mainly my favorite part are the battles, even if all you do is press "Attack" to see the CGs, the basic narrative of that moment is similar to the BF or Husband lounging around obliviously while the GF/Wife is getting plowed by the next door neighbor. But I suppose it's just fun to see it happen in a more "real time" kind of sense, makes it exciting I suppose.



I'd jokingly say you've analyzed this game a little too much. I never really thought deep enough to make those connections, and just liked how decently logical most interactions have been portrayed, with whatever exciting corrupted twist is portrayed to us as well. My emphasis on decently logical is that while this game/story embraces the NTR tropes, it's doing it in a much more interestingly fun way.

While everyone is a little unhinged and trying to go behind everyone's backs stealing either Kirito or Asuna from their SO, the way everyone goes about it is generally fun and amusing. I like how Liz thinks she has the upper hand, and definitely makes some progress with Kirito, but doesn't realize she made a deal with the devil that is Inoda. Inoda constantly lies and plays down his results to Liz to maintain the upper hand. It's similar to how you mentioned that Inoda corrupting Kyoko is showing his "true power" so to speak. So everyone that dares interact with him is dancing in the palm of his hands, due to 50% genius, and 50% luck/coincidence/god intervention.

Suguha being corrupted by NTR therefore ends up trying to corrupt Kirito is also a fun way to go about it and I do like the potential Sinon and Hebishima storyline being portrayed. Some people think Sinon wants revenge; while I personally would go down the route similar to what you mentioned and that's Sinon got corrupted by NTR and is now the yandere possessive one in her relationship with Hebishima instead of Hebishima being control.

Basically NTR in this game isn't as you mentioned so plain and simple and that's what makes the ride fun.



King lion does mention that some of the npcs are back, so we can only hope. The only NPCs I really cared about though was the green haired guy, the charlie friend getting cucked without knowing, and that guy that looked like Inoda somehow dominating everyone else in the city. I personally don't miss the NPCs that were definitely filler, instead of being around for Kirito to make small comments about, which is why I mentioned the 3 NPCs from earlier. Green-haired guy shows like you mentioned where Kirito can end up. Charlie was a friend getting cucked in real-time that would make Kirito question some of the events that are happening to himself. I did like how whenever Kirito got anonymous messages that showed Asuna getting sexually harassed, Kirito ended up thinking it was Charlie who sent him the video. Lastly the Big Glasses dude is the opposite of the green-haired guy, which is Kirito's exposure to the one that will cuck others instead of the cuck (green hair guy) himself.

In terms of stuff I miss from Part 1; I mainly miss the black-market video store. That idea from Part 1 was one of the most interactive ways to see the NTR happen in a logical "non-recollection event" fashion. I'm hoping the store comes back, or the brothel does something to take its place.
I definitely did overanalyze. I think a better way to summarize my wall of text is that Fujino's writing feels natural and plays into itself. Nothing feels like it oversteps its boundaries to the point that I need to suspend my disbelief in order to make the writing believable. It's not 100% faithful to the characters, but it's faithful enough that I can say "If I were to write an NTR of SAO characters, this wouldn't seem out of place."

I think the fact that I can point out certain dynamics and story elements that are replicated in other stories is a decent sign that the writing isn't NTR fetish content with a story conveniently attached to it; the story is made with NTR in mind and attempts to make it cohesive.

The one part I fondly remember from Part 1 was when Kirito was working at the love hotel while his sister was getting banged three floors above in real time. That was fun.

I will also say, I appreciate how willing Fujino is to experiment with the various ways to show off NTR in his games. It's never stale, and the various ways that SAO NTR (as well as his previous games) portrays the gradual (or immediate) corruption is nice.
 

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just ignore them bro, they are just have too much free time for a NTR game lol. I wonder why they have to put in so much effort in writing a lot of non-sense words. I just download when a new update is on and play the game. That's it
How dare you speak the truth about my misplaced fixation on this game
 

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I definitely did overanalyze. I think a better way to summarize my wall of text is that Fujino's writing feels natural and plays into itself. Nothing feels like it oversteps its boundaries to the point that I need to suspend my disbelief in order to make the writing believable. It's not 100% faithful to the characters, but it's faithful enough that I can say "If I were to write an NTR of SAO characters, this wouldn't seem out of place."

I think the fact that I can point out certain dynamics and story elements that are replicated in other stories is a decent sign that the writing isn't NTR fetish content with a story conveniently attached to it; the story is made with NTR in mind and attempts to make it cohesive.

The one part I fondly remember from Part 1 was when Kirito was working at the love hotel while his sister was getting banged three floors above in real time. That was fun.

I will also say, I appreciate how willing Fujino is to experiment with the various ways to show off NTR in his games. It's never stale, and the various ways that SAO NTR (as well as his previous games) portrays the gradual (or immediate) corruption is nice.
While I also like Fujino's experiments and especially how he directs the genre narrative—it's probably what interests me most in the game and keeps me playing it—I personally am not into the main story because there are some really story-breaking issues that I can't overlook. To name a few: the admin's restrictions on Kirito, which make him literally unable to build up suspicion; the overforced favoritism of Inoda; and the "VR is not real" aspect, which breaks the main foundation of SAO.

Btw, I don't want to start arguing about it (again), but I wanted to share a partially opposed opinion. ;)
 

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When Fujino takes a 2 months break this tend to happen, people get so bored it slowly but surely gets more and more off-topic...we're gonna see the thread getting closed right before the next update again at this rate, aren't we?
That is what happens when Fujino conditions our dick to expect a release at the same time every month. Without that release all that excitement still needs to go somewhere. Maybe closing the thread will be the result again. Blame Fujino!
 

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That is what happens when Fujino conditions our dick to expect a release at the same time every month. Without that release all that excitement still needs to go somewhere. Maybe closing the thread will be the result again. Blame Fujino!
Are we still talking about the thread, or are we drifting off to the necessities of the physical realm? :LOL:
 
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Is the dev going to add non ntr ending? I hope so, because this is the first ntr game where i feel bad for the mc and dont to him to be cuckolded.
 

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Is the dev going to add non ntr ending? I hope so, because this is the first ntr game where i feel bad for the mc and dont to him to be cuckolded.
Unfortunately for you, while I do sometimes feel bad for Cuckito, there is no way there is going to be a happy ending for him.


That being said, this is something that makes me wonder if, during the next update, the piglet got a heart attack in the middle of fuck session with Asuna or Kyoko, and Inoda simply dies outright, would Asuna at this point is already considered to have gotten Netorare´d?
Because, while it´s clear that she is still in the process of falling into a deep corruption, nowhere near the end goal of what she will be by the climax of the game, she is still a cheater who ruined her relationship beyond repair.

Although, to me, the very first time she agreed to show her breasts to Inoda she already crossed a line I would never forgive, it´s interesting to think that while Kirito right now is an absolute cuck, Asuna technically still hasn´t gotten NTR´ed. Even if she is teetering on the edge of the cliff that is called Inoda´s fat cock.


Besides all that, and with me ignoring my desperate need for more Suguha content, I would really love it if, at some point in the future, Fujino gives us a side-by-side of Kirito and Asuna having disappointing next to the little piglet blowing Slutsuna´s back.
This could be implemented in several different ways, but perhaps the most fitting scenario would be with Asuna remembering a previous encounter with Inoda, or fantasying about a future one while getting tickled by Kirito´s little guy. 2f98a31f3a2a0d98d8b6cc21917bd7b9.gif

Fujino is at his best when he tries to put a spin of originality to his lewd scenes like he did with the treehouse event, so I´m sure he could come up with something fun that would work with this concept.
 

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Unfortunately for you, while I do sometimes feel bad for Cuckito, there is no way there is going to be a happy ending for him.


That being said, this is something that makes me wonder if, during the next update, the piglet got a heart attack in the middle of fuck session with Asuna or Kyoko, and Inoda simply dies outright, would Asuna at this point is already considered to have gotten Netorare´d?
Because, while it´s clear that she is still in the process of falling into a deep corruption, nowhere near the end goal of what she will be by the climax of the game, she is still a cheater who ruined her relationship beyond repair.

Although, to me, the very first time she agreed to show her breasts to Inoda she already crossed a line I would never forgive, it´s interesting to think that while Kirito right now is an absolute cuck, Asuna technically still hasn´t gotten NTR´ed. Even if she is teetering on the edge of the cliff that is called Inoda´s fat cock.


Besides all that, and with me ignoring my desperate need for more Suguha content, I would really love it if, at some point in the future, Fujino gives us a side-by-side of Kirito and Asuna having disappointing next to the little piglet blowing Slutsuna´s back.
This could be implemented in several different ways, but perhaps the most fitting scenario would be with Asuna remembering a previous encounter with Inoda, or fantasying about a future one while getting tickled by Kirito´s little guy. View attachment 3989225

Fujino is at his best when he tries to put a spin of originality to his lewd scenes like he did with the treehouse event, so I´m sure he could come up with something fun that would work with this concept.
Nah, that relationship is beyond repair. She would probably go along with it for some time, but in the long run, she'd start cheating. However, she'd be unable to ever find a real replacement for Inoda, living a frustrated life until the end. :sneaky:
 
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There was one NTR doujin I found particularly interesting in which a woman got "cucked" by the new neighbor next to them. It started out as an NTR, but progressed into a story in which the reader rooted for the heroine to get stolen away from her boyfriend. This was because throughout the story, it is revealed that the boyfriend is a terrible person who talked behind her back and degraded her to his friends, while the bull was an incredibly sweet person who cared for the woman. In this sense, the NTR becomes justified and transitions into a case of loyalty being punished and infidelity being rewarded.

This SAO parody is great in that there is a lot of potential that Fujino has set up because of how meticulous the build up has been. Now can SAO pull off a similar scenario as unique as what I've outlined above? Probably not. Inoda has already been portrayed as an irredeemable antagonist, and any attempt to portray him in a positive light in a vacuum would be going against the narrative Fujino has been writing. In addition, Kirito wouldn't be the type to cheat on Asuna, at least canonically.

With how Fujino has been pushing the dual "corruption" of Kirito between both Liz and Suguha, I'd be interested in knowing if people would begin to justify Asuna cheating with a more caring Inoda if Kirito indulged in other women of his own volition, or if that would ruin the NTR fantasy that's been happening up to this point.
it would ruin it for me.
 
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